Date   

Win10 Forum Narrator Challenge, Thu, 6/1/17 #cal-notice

win10@win10.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

Win10 Forum Narrator Challenge

When:
Thursday, 1 June 2017

Where:
Worldwide

Description:
For the month of June 2017, the Win10 Forum community will embark on a journey to use Narrator to accomplish various tasks. The purpose of this event is to help people become familiar with Narrator in Windows 10, as well as for users to send feedback to Microsoft and app developers regarding screen readers and app accessibility. Basics: * To start or quit Narrator, press: Control+Windows+ENTER if using Version 1703 (Creators Update) or Windows=ENTER (earlier versions). * For a list of keyboard commands, press Caps lock+F1. * To navigate to the next or previous item or contorl, press Caps lock+right or left arrows. * To use scan mode to browse documents or windows, press Caps lock+Space (Version 1607/Anniversary Update and later). Feedback can be sent to Microsoft and/or app vendors via Feedbakc hub app, sending it to the forum or contact app developers. Thanks.


finally, my pc is ready for the creators update! will it install on it's own or with my consent?

Chris Skarstad <rascal0826@...>
 

Hi guys


Subject line says it! About a half an hour ago as of this writing I saw a web page just pop up out of nowhere, which was the indication that the creator's update was on the way and I just need to review my privacy settings. So I did and everything was to my satisfaction so I clicked continue. I was then told that it would do somethings in the background before the update is ready. Here's where my memory gets kind of fuzzy because I must've missed part of the discussion. Will my pc reboot on its own and do the update without my intervention, or do I have to specificly indicate when I want to install the update? I'm awar e that it may take about an hour or so, maybe longer and i'm ok with that but I couldn't remember if the update would just be installed without my concent. I'm usually away from my pc while I sleep so that would certainly be a good time to install it, which would mean that I can just start using it as normal when I wake up but i suspect it'll be later than that.

Thanks, and I apologize for bringing back a topic that was discussed so much earlier.

Chris


Accepted: [win10] Event: Win10 Forum Narrator Challenge, Thursday, 1 June 2017#cal-invite

Devin Prater
 


Event: Win10 Forum Narrator Challenge, Thursday, 1 June 2017 #cal-invite

win10@win10.groups.io Calendar <win10@...>
 

Win10 Forum Narrator Challenge

When:
Thursday, 1 June 2017

Where:
Worldwide

Description:
For the month of June 2017, the Win10 Forum community will embark on a journey to use Narrator to accomplish various tasks. The purpose of this event is to help people become familiar with Narrator in Windows 10, as well as for users to send feedback to Microsoft and app developers regarding screen readers and app accessibility. Basics: * To start or quit Narrator, press: Control+Windows+ENTER if using Version 1703 (Creators Update) or Windows=ENTER (earlier versions). * For a list of keyboard commands, press Caps lock+F1. * To navigate to the next or previous item or contorl, press Caps lock+right or left arrows. * To use scan mode to browse documents or windows, press Caps lock+Space (Version 1607/Anniversary Update and later). Feedback can be sent to Microsoft and/or app vendors via Feedbakc hub app, sending it to the forum or contact app developers. Thanks.


Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I have 4 Samsung SSD's. 1 950 Pro M2, 2 850 Pro's and 1 840 EVO. The olderst is 3yrs. old and no problems at all.

On 5/31/2017 1:20 PM, g melconian wrote:

I’m now impresses with Samsung  evo ssd , I had one go out in  my business. If I was wanting reliable ssd I would look at kingston and hitachi as well as sandisk for ssd then Samsung. This is another area where  Samsung is not doing well with quality control.   Just giving yoru fari warning about it. 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:37 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi.

 

If he wants to upgrade, ram would be a good place to start, but only if he has  a badass processor to need it. I still haven't heard what processor it is, if I was upgrading the ram, I wouldn't upgrade it to more than 16 gb. 512 gb Samsung Evo 850 ssd drives are going for about 170 dollars and somewhat lower, 1 tb Samsung Evo 850's are about 330 dollars. They are compatible with the slots for 840 pro I think and 850 Evo apparently runs just as well and sometimes better than  850 pro. Remember that there are different types of drive slots in use right now, you need to know if your ssd needs to be a 2.5 inch or an MSata or  perhaps even an m.2 and, to further complicate matters, PCIE. Evo 840pro I think was only available in 2.5 inch or MSata though so that narrows it down some. Of course if you're paying someone else  to do all this, they should already be aware of those details though.

 

 

 

 

Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"
 
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On 5/31/2017 11:31 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Imho I’d leave the swapfile as is unless you find yourself running out of space.

Regardless of what you do, that thing has an ssd. It’s going to quite literally scream. Keep up on disk cleanup and you should be good. Also, not sure if you don’t know this but I wouldn’t defrag it since it’s an ssd.

Have fun with it.

 

 

From: David Mehler
Sent: May 31, 2017 3:57 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi,

 

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

 

Thanks.

Dave.

 

 

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

> If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since

> this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your

> machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt

> performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t

> quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very

> odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just

> utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

> Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system

> settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it

> doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

> From: Randy Barnett

> Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

> Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a

> couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it

> faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly

> reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor

> with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I

> check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set

> my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD

> I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if

> your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB

> or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD

> space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any

> faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system

> properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size

> are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to

> stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 

 



Re: Survey: products for the blind

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

If it does work then why did I get that message? I have the latest windows update and nvda 2017.2

Brian Sackrider

On 5/31/2017 3:38 PM, George Martinez wrote:
Brian,
That link works perfectly. Perhaps you should check...
George


-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:55 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Survey: products for the blind

This link does not work it says google drive page not found. People
should not be posting links that don't work please check them out before
you post.

Brian Sackrider


On 5/31/2017 8:11 AM, Henk Jansen wrote:
For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform






Re: Accessible program for storage purposes?

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Why certainly: sendspace.com

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: [win10] Accessible program for storage purposes?

I had drop box and can’t find it now.  But, my question is does another program exist besides I-cloud, out there that I can store documents, videos and be able to send them to others in zip file format. 


Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

valiant8086
 

Hi.


It'll be interesting to find out if there are others having issues with Samsung Evo ssd's. My 512 gb Evo 840 has 28000 hours run time and still works great and has 97 percent wear level which means 97 percent is left not 97 percent is used, lol.


Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 5/31/2017 4:20 PM, g melconian wrote:

I’m now impresses with Samsung  evo ssd , I had one go out in  my business. If I was wanting reliable ssd I would look at kingston and hitachi as well as sandisk for ssd then Samsung. This is another area where  Samsung is not doing well with quality control.   Just giving yoru fari warning about it. 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:37 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi.

 

If he wants to upgrade, ram would be a good place to start, but only if he has  a badass processor to need it. I still haven't heard what processor it is, if I was upgrading the ram, I wouldn't upgrade it to more than 16 gb. 512 gb Samsung Evo 850 ssd drives are going for about 170 dollars and somewhat lower, 1 tb Samsung Evo 850's are about 330 dollars. They are compatible with the slots for 840 pro I think and 850 Evo apparently runs just as well and sometimes better than  850 pro. Remember that there are different types of drive slots in use right now, you need to know if your ssd needs to be a 2.5 inch or an MSata or  perhaps even an m.2 and, to further complicate matters, PCIE. Evo 840pro I think was only available in 2.5 inch or MSata though so that narrows it down some. Of course if you're paying someone else  to do all this, they should already be aware of those details though.

 

 

 

 

Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"
 
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On 5/31/2017 11:31 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Imho I’d leave the swapfile as is unless you find yourself running out of space.

Regardless of what you do, that thing has an ssd. It’s going to quite literally scream. Keep up on disk cleanup and you should be good. Also, not sure if you don’t know this but I wouldn’t defrag it since it’s an ssd.

Have fun with it.

 

 

From: David Mehler
Sent: May 31, 2017 3:57 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi,

 

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

 

Thanks.

Dave.

 

 

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

> If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since

> this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your

> machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt

> performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t

> quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very

> odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just

> utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

> Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system

> settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it

> doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

> From: Randy Barnett

> Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

> Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a

> couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it

> faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly

> reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor

> with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I

> check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set

> my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD

> I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if

> your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB

> or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD

> space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any

> faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system

> properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size

> are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to

> stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 

 



Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

g melconian
 

I’m now impresses with Samsung  evo ssd , I had one go out in  my business. If I was wanting reliable ssd I would look at kingston and hitachi as well as sandisk for ssd then Samsung. This is another area where  Samsung is not doing well with quality control.   Just giving yoru fari warning about it. 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:37 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi.

 

If he wants to upgrade, ram would be a good place to start, but only if he has  a badass processor to need it. I still haven't heard what processor it is, if I was upgrading the ram, I wouldn't upgrade it to more than 16 gb. 512 gb Samsung Evo 850 ssd drives are going for about 170 dollars and somewhat lower, 1 tb Samsung Evo 850's are about 330 dollars. They are compatible with the slots for 840 pro I think and 850 Evo apparently runs just as well and sometimes better than  850 pro. Remember that there are different types of drive slots in use right now, you need to know if your ssd needs to be a 2.5 inch or an MSata or  perhaps even an m.2 and, to further complicate matters, PCIE. Evo 840pro I think was only available in 2.5 inch or MSata though so that narrows it down some. Of course if you're paying someone else  to do all this, they should already be aware of those details though.

 

 

 

 

Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"
 
<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 5/31/2017 11:31 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Imho I’d leave the swapfile as is unless you find yourself running out of space.

Regardless of what you do, that thing has an ssd. It’s going to quite literally scream. Keep up on disk cleanup and you should be good. Also, not sure if you don’t know this but I wouldn’t defrag it since it’s an ssd.

Have fun with it.

 

 

From: David Mehler
Sent: May 31, 2017 3:57 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi,

 

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

 

Thanks.

Dave.

 

 

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

> If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since

> this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your

> machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt

> performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t

> quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very

> odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just

> utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

> Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system

> settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it

> doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

> From: Randy Barnett

> Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

> Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a

> couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it

> faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly

> reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor

> with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I

> check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set

> my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD

> I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if

> your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB

> or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD

> space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any

> faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system

> properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size

> are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to

> stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 

 


Re: Survey: products for the blind

Doug Parisian <eggmann@...>
 

If your are using NVDA, I often find that I need to use NVDA key plus V to turn on or off screen layout. BTW, Amazon does NOT sent defective links nor does well.ca. I often visit links in any number of message and if there is a problem, I've always found that toggling NVDA-V solves any rare issues.

On 2017-05-31 1:54 PM, brian wrote:
This link does not work it says google drive page not found. People should not be posting links that don't work please check them out before you post.

Brian Sackrider


On 5/31/2017 8:11 AM, Henk Jansen wrote:
For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform




Re: Survey: products for the blind

George Martinez <george.martinezcpa@...>
 

Brian,
That link works perfectly. Perhaps you should check...
George

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:55 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Survey: products for the blind

This link does not work it says google drive page not found. People
should not be posting links that don't work please check them out before
you post.

Brian Sackrider


On 5/31/2017 8:11 AM, Henk Jansen wrote:
For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform



Re: Survey: products for the blind

Timothy Wynn
 

The link works just fine. I just clicked on it for the second time, from your reply no less.

----- Original Message -----
From: "brian" <sackriderbrian45@...>
To: <win10@win10.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] Survey: products for the blind


This link does not work it says google drive page not found. People
should not be posting links that don't work please check them out before
you post.

Brian Sackrider


On 5/31/2017 8:11 AM, Henk Jansen wrote:
For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform






Re: kaspersky vs. win10 defender

valiant8086
 

Hi


I'm cool with live and let be, but I also feel we should try and help ensure those who don't care enough about this sort of thing to dig deep and really get a handle on what's best understand that what he's saying is somewhat true, but that at the same time it doesn't mean you'll get a nasty virus the first thing you do if you have Windows Defender when you'd have been protected much better with a paid product or even a theoretically better free product. As people keep saying, the best protection is to pay attention and not just click anything that comes at you. With a small doce of that, Windows Defender is plenty good enough. With the added bonus that it's quite accessible, updates by itself, is low on resources, and by the way it really is pretty good on resources, I should know, I've tried other options with the specific intention of comparing the system resources and how the computer performs. For instance, I have absolutely no doubt that a new computer I purchased ran almost twice as well when I uninstalled Mcafee and turned on Windows Defender. This was a low end computer with a Celeron n3060 processor and 4 gb of ram all running off a 32 gb EMMC drive, so anything somewhat inefficient was easily noticeable. About a year ago I tried some cloud options like Panda which I hear has become more inaccessible than it was. I liked Panda for not working the computer hard, the processor had an easy time with it, but things took ages to load and or open not because the processor was being taxed, but because I had to wait for submissions of everything I did to go out to the internet and then be okayed before it would execute. Easy on my computer, hard on my patience. Defender was easier at the time than Nod 32, I tried it too with the trial period. With some high up people in commercial antimalware companies or probably x employees thereof apparently claiming from time to time publicly that antimalware applications aren't working anymore anyhow, I can't figure out why just living with Windows Defender isn't a good solution. Btw, apologies I don't have a link to the article where I read that somebody from Norton apparently said that  antimalware applications are causing more problems than they fix at the moment, and even if I did I couldn't stand behind it and say that I'm confident that what they reported was true. I am really basing my opinion more on the fact that I have always come back to Microsoft Security essentials, which later became Windows Defender, which later became Windows Defender Antimalware, and I've never felt like I was unsafe, I've been using this for around 4 or 5 years and I have no regrets. I'm willing to recommend them to anybody but I'd like to get them to agree that if they switch to it and get something nasty, I think it's just about as likely they would get it with other products as well. No matter what we do we're taking a risk, but we need to do this safety thing in moderation. We can't have our kids grow up to know how to live in the world if we keep them locked in the air conditioned house with no TV and no internet access, and we can't get full potential out of our computers if we weigh the poor things down with even more bloatware than they often come with by putting up with overbearing Antimalware.


Especially because in the end, it's the user that will let the problem come in anyway, I kid you not I heard a story from a guy who was a computer teacher when I was a student of his, he owned a company that fixed TV's and things for years and was a certified electrician, had a computer repair business for a while and then became a computer repair instructor at our local technical school, and he got a prompt when he inserted a floppy disk something about malware detected and he was distracted talking to a student and just clicked yes not really reading what it said, and he got a nasty worm thing that caused his computer to be in an endless boot loop. So saying, he got a warning for heavens sake and still managed to stick himself in the foot. The one virus I did get, I got while running Microsoft Security Essentials, and it completely whiped my disk, to the point that I removed the hard drive and connected it with some reservations about the wisdom of doing that to another computer and it was completely empty, no files at all. Luckily the factory restore functionality integrated into that computer still worked so apparently they didn't wipe the hidden recovery partition. I didn't get a warning about that one of any kind, I was reading email and suddenly my computer just went silent and the hard drive was chattering enthusiastically. One minute I was fine and one minute I wasn't at all fine. Who's to say I'd have been saved from that happening if I'd been running Mcafee antimalware, had CCleaner running in constant monitor mode, Did a scan with super Anti Spyware twice a day and had a paid version of Malwarebytes running in the background. This is one thing I wasn't saved from that I know about in more than 90000 collective hours yes you heard that right of total computer runtime. I'm pretty sure 90000 is actually too low. The computer I'm typing on has 30000 on it, another computer in my room is getting close to 40000 and both of these are less than 4 years old and that virus happened about 7 years ago. So you see I'm trying to say for me I've had an extremely low rate of failure on the part of Windows Defender and I want everyone to take what people say about defender being crappy with a nice big pinch of salt.



heers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 5/31/2017 12:43 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

I’ve pretty much gave up.

He’s bent on making defender out to be the worst antivirus ever. Let it be, I guess. Let people make their own choices rather than going on my (or anyone elses) opinion. Common sense is the best antivirus, ever.

 

 

From: Pinky
Sent: May 30, 2017 11:38 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] kaspersky vs. win10 defender

 

Hi Enes,

In this article you provided the link to it says quote.

False positives, or valid programs identified as malware, contributed to those long-ago dismal scores. In the latest report from

AV-Test Institute,

Microsoft earned all six possible points for usability, meaning next-to-no false positives. With 5.5 points for protection against malware and 5.0 for

impact on system performance, it totaled a respectable 16.5 points, the same as Avast, AVG, and Avira.

 

So I would say by reading this Windows Defender is doing pretty good with a rating of 16.5 and is also as good as some of the free ones. It did say the paid antivirus did score higher at 18. So all in all I think Windows Defender is doing quite well as this point. It’s not at the top but it far from being poor.

 

Mr. Ed

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 7:16 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] kaspersky vs. win10 defender

 

and another article, from same site. Dated 15 may 2017

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1926596,00.asp

Better Than Nothing, but You Need More
Microsoft has done a good thing of making sure that every Windows 10 PC has at least some degree of antivirus protection. It's better than nothing, by a long shot. However, it simply ignores lower-risk malware types, rather than letting you choose whether to block them. Its lab test scores, while improved, still aren't the best. And the antivirus seemed to be confused by my malware blocking test, reporting danger from two threats repeatedly, even after I permanently deleted them and their containing folder. Given that you can get better protection for free, relying on the built-in is just not a good idea, and its score reflects this fact.

 

On 5/30/2017 1:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Enes,

          One of your favorite things is trying to portray Windows Defender as mediocre or worse.   Third party tests indicate otherwise and have been doing so for several years.   Depending on the metrics that are used, several of the top 5 products switch positions as well.

           Windows Defender is nowhere near the bottom of the pack anymore, and hasn't been in some time.

           As to WannaCry, it was as successful as it was largely due to people and places that do not routinely apply Windows Updates, and health care was hit particularly hard because for patient care equipment most are loath to apply any updates for fear of screwing something up, however unlikely, and suffering liability lawsuits.  There were many antivirus or security suite products that missed WannaCry and Microsoft had issued the patch to prevent it months ago.  Those who had applied it, as they should have, were immune.

            People ask, again and again, about a fully accessible antivirus.  At this point in time and given the improvements in functioning since the days when Windows Defender started out as Microsoft Security Essentials I can wholeheartedly recommend it.
 
             In the end, antivirus and antimalware products are, as I keep saying, fail-safes.  They should not be relied upon to keep all infections from the proverbial door, and if you keep getting infected or keep getting detections before they actually infect you then the problem virtually always lies with you (for any you, not you personally).  You're being careless, and nothing is going to save you from endless careless behavior.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham

 

 

 



Re: Survey: products for the blind

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

This link does not work it says google drive page not found. People should not be posting links that don't work please check them out before you post.

Brian Sackrider

On 5/31/2017 8:11 AM, Henk Jansen wrote:
For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform


Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

valiant8086
 

Hi.


If he wants to upgrade, ram would be a good place to start, but only if he has  a badass processor to need it. I still haven't heard what processor it is, if I was upgrading the ram, I wouldn't upgrade it to more than 16 gb. 512 gb Samsung Evo 850 ssd drives are going for about 170 dollars and somewhat lower, 1 tb Samsung Evo 850's are about 330 dollars. They are compatible with the slots for 840 pro I think and 850 Evo apparently runs just as well and sometimes better than  850 pro. Remember that there are different types of drive slots in use right now, you need to know if your ssd needs to be a 2.5 inch or an MSata or  perhaps even an m.2 and, to further complicate matters, PCIE. Evo 840pro I think was only available in 2.5 inch or MSata though so that narrows it down some. Of course if you're paying someone else  to do all this, they should already be aware of those details though.





Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 5/31/2017 11:31 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Imho I’d leave the swapfile as is unless you find yourself running out of space.

Regardless of what you do, that thing has an ssd. It’s going to quite literally scream. Keep up on disk cleanup and you should be good. Also, not sure if you don’t know this but I wouldn’t defrag it since it’s an ssd.

Have fun with it.

 

 

From: David Mehler
Sent: May 31, 2017 3:57 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi,

 

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

 

Thanks.

Dave.

 

 

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

> If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since

> this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your

> machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt

> performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t

> quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very

> odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just

> utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

> Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system

> settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it

> doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

> From: Randy Barnett

> Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

> Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a

> couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it

> faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly

> reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor

> with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I

> check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set

> my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD

> I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if

> your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB

> or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD

> space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any

> faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system

> properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size

> are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to

> stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 



Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

valiant8086
 

Hi.


Even 2gb runs fairly well if it's just mostly stock windows. I have disabled the swap file on my Quantom Access stick pc  because it only has 32 gb storage and I want every bit of that I can possibly have to be free and I have very few always on applications installed. Even to the point I uninstalled one drive in spite of the fact I have 1 tb of space in there.  So with no file syncing applications except Resilio sync with only two folders turned on, both of which are on my 128 gb sd card, it sits around 1.2 gb ram usage with NVDA running. Lowest I saw it go was 965 mb without Resilio running at all. That's pretty impressive, a definite improvement over most of the opperating systems that have come and gone ince Windows XP. So yes, I do have the swap file turned off even though I'm only going to be having around 700 mb free. The thing is, 2 gb is way better than 1gb, 4 gb is quite a bit better than 2 gb, 8 gb is better than 4 gb, but after that it doesn't make much difference. So if you have  a tablet or an elbraille or what ever, if it has 2 gb you'll be ok unless you're running inefficiently with an overactive antimalware application and too many hungry things on at once. But it's not just the ram that can be the problem, by the time ram is much of an issue if you have 8 gb ram already then you probably need a better processor or ssd storage. 32 gb ram is something I wouldn't even consider wanting even being the computer geek I am. I'd rather have 8 gb of ram and a bad ass processor than 32 gb ram and an average processor. Heck I'd probably even go for 4 gb of ram and the bad ass processor over 32 gb and an average processor, just depends. But yeah, if you want to upgrade, go to 8 or 16 but don't go all the way to 32 unless you think you really need it, because you'll most likely have bottlenecks elsewhere. Spend the extra money on more ssd capacity and a new battery or something.


Good luck with your upgrade! I just upgraded my Lenovo Yoga 2 pro to a 1 tb Samsung Evo 850 ssd, originally was a 512 gb Samsung Evo 840 ssd. I have 8 gb ram and have never felt that I was shortsided on that front The core i7 processor is given lower voltage when I'm running on battery power and is noticeably slower and there's nothing to do to fix it in power manager. I think there's a bios setting for it. All in all though this setup is pretty good.


One of the best things one can do really involves no hardware upgrade at all. If a computer is running bad it's probably just having to do too much work, solution is to either start uninstalling things or do a reformat and be more careful about what gets installed.




Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

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On 5/31/2017 12:43 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

 

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 



Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Imho I’d leave the swapfile as is unless you find yourself running out of space.

Regardless of what you do, that thing has an ssd. It’s going to quite literally scream. Keep up on disk cleanup and you should be good. Also, not sure if you don’t know this but I wouldn’t defrag it since it’s an ssd.

Have fun with it.

 

 

From: David Mehler
Sent: May 31, 2017 3:57 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

 

Hi,

 

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

 

Thanks.

Dave.

 

 

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.

> If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since

> this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your

> machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt

> performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t

> quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very

> odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just

> utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.

> Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system

> settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it

> doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.

> From: Randy Barnett

> Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM

> To: win10@win10.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

> Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a

> couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it

> faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly

> reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor

> with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I

> check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set

> my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD

> I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if

> your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB

> or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD

> space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any

> faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system

> properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size

> are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to

> stop errors that are hard to diagnose.

 

 

 


Re: Survey: products for the blind

 

Hi,
Please respond to this person offlist (thread shall be closed tonight).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Henk Jansen
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:12 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Survey: products for the blind

For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform


Survey: products for the blind

Henk Jansen <henk.jansen999@...>
 

For a school project we need to gather information about the products that blind people use.If you are blind or partially sighted, please answer the following questions.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iBjbbZ7WGK_hEbOE1ITKAm9ZKEIxWNP3OPgTMHXbk9U/viewform


Re: tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

David Mehler
 

Hi,

This machine has a 256GB samsung 840pro ssd. It has 4GB of ram.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 5/31/17, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...> wrote:
Hi,
As far as ssd goes, it all depends on the ssd size.
If I’m using an ssd that’s less than 64 gb I’ll change the swapfile since
this is usually okay. Though do keep in mind that when you do this and your
machine is running 4 gb or less of ram you might (key word is might) hurt
performance. I gave it a try with a t100 with 2 gb of ram and it wasn’t
quite up there, but if your swap file gets gigantic (I have, for some very
odd reason on systems with 16 gb of ram seen it hit 32 gb, which is just
utterly ridiculous...) I shrink it down a tad.
Also setting windows, in control panel>system>advanced system
settings>performance to use best performance. In this modern day and age it
doesn’t help a ton but every bit is better than none.


From: Randy Barnett
Sent: May 30, 2017 3:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] tweaking a win10 laptop for maximum performance

Hi, I have been building computers for over 25yrs and I have learned a
couple of things... First: The only time adding ram to a system will make it
faster is if it was running too little to start with and was constantly
reading from the harddrive. Second: Unless you are a video or photo editor
with huge files you will never use 32GB of ram. I have 16GB and everytime I
check my RAM usage it is usually 12GB or more of free system ram. I have set
my SWAP file to 1024MB and have never had a problem. With you getting an SSD
I would not set yor SWAP to match your ram. the SWAP file is only used if
your sestem runs out of ram and like I said for the majority of us with 8GB
or more that wont happen. So there is no reason to use up expensive SSD
space. Mostly with a modern fast CPU not much you do will make it any
faster. Setting the display to best performance under advanced system
properties and setting the virtual memory to 1024 for the min and max size
are about all you need to do. I also disable hybrnation but that is more to
stop errors that are hard to diagnose.