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Re: AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Sherry Wells <sherrywells1157@...>
 

Thanks Bill, I actually have deleted & re-added this contact a couple of
times. I did not know there were multiple sets of contacts. Perhaps he is
listed in one of those with just a first initial & last name which would be
his email. I'll try & check that out & delete any but the one in my
contacts list created by me manually.

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 3:24 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

List or card view makes the autocomplete come up as text rather than as a
graphic. I don't know why you must type the first name and part of the last
name. May I suggest that you delete this contact, then enter it again
manually in the contacts, reached by CONTROL plus three below the Function
keys.

The reason you sometimes have contacts which you didn't add is that there
are two or three sets of contacts. One of these is Suggested Contacts. These
often come because you have received an email from these contacts.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sherry Wells
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:18 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi Bill,

What does list or card view do re auto complete? My auto complete is
working but oddly. For a couple of people I need to type in first initial
then start typing last name. This is true even though the contact is
displayed as whole first name followed by whole last name. Also, how does
it happen that I sometimes get an auto complete of someone I have sent
emails to in the past but who is not in my contacts list? Would setting the
list / card view as you describe below resolve these things?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:52 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi, Ricky.

To access the AutoComplete setting head to File > Options and select the
Mail tab in the left pane. Then scroll down to the Send Messages section and
check or uncheck Use Auto-Complete List to suggest names when typing in the
To, Cc, and Ccc lines.

Usually this set to on by default. What I think is wrong is that the
Contacts view is not set to list or card view.

To do this:

1. Open Outlook.
2. Press CONTROL plus the number three below the function keys to open
contacts.
3. Press ALT plus V, followed by the letters C, then V.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ricky Lomey
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:40 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it
depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


ZDNet: Windows 10 release preview (with updates) #WinTen2004

 

Hi all,

 

A bit old by now, but this ZDNet article includes an important update from last week that will impact many:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-rolls-out-windows-10-2004-release-preview-ahead-of-expected-may-release-to-mainstream-users/

 

The update: Microsoft supposedly found a zero-day exploit that it wants to fix as part of May 2020 Update, hence the delay until late May. As for that being the case, we shall find out next week at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

List or card view makes the autocomplete come up as text rather than as a
graphic. I don't know why you must type the first name and part of the last
name. May I suggest that you delete this contact, then enter it again
manually in the contacts, reached by CONTROL plus three below the Function
keys.

The reason you sometimes have contacts which you didn't add is that there
are two or three sets of contacts. One of these is Suggested Contacts. These
often come because you have received an email from these contacts.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sherry Wells
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:18 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi Bill,

What does list or card view do re auto complete? My auto complete is
working but oddly. For a couple of people I need to type in first initial
then start typing last name. This is true even though the contact is
displayed as whole first name followed by whole last name. Also, how does
it happen that I sometimes get an auto complete of someone I have sent
emails to in the past but who is not in my contacts list? Would setting the
list / card view as you describe below resolve these things?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:52 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi, Ricky.

To access the AutoComplete setting head to File > Options and select the
Mail tab in the left pane. Then scroll down to the Send Messages section and
check or uncheck Use Auto-Complete List to suggest names when typing in the
To, Cc, and Ccc lines.

Usually this set to on by default. What I think is wrong is that the
Contacts view is not set to list or card view.

To do this:

1. Open Outlook.
2. Press CONTROL plus the number three below the function keys to open
contacts.
3. Press ALT plus V, followed by the letters C, then V.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ricky Lomey
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:40 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it
depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


Re: AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Sherry Wells <sherrywells1157@...>
 

Hi Bill,

What does list or card view do re auto complete? My auto complete is
working but oddly. For a couple of people I need to type in first initial
then start typing last name. This is true even though the contact is
displayed as whole first name followed by whole last name. Also, how does
it happen that I sometimes get an auto complete of someone I have sent
emails to in the past but who is not in my contacts list? Would setting the
list / card view as you describe below resolve these things?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:52 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi, Ricky.

To access the AutoComplete setting head to File > Options and select the
Mail tab in the left pane. Then scroll down to the Send Messages section and
check or uncheck Use Auto-Complete List to suggest names when typing in the
To, Cc, and Ccc lines.

Usually this set to on by default. What I think is wrong is that the
Contacts view is not set to list or card view.

To do this:

1. Open Outlook.
2. Press CONTROL plus the number three below the function keys to open
contacts.
3. Press ALT plus V, followed by the letters C, then V.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ricky Lomey
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:40 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it
depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


Re: AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Sugar
 

Thank you Bill
You are always so helpful
Sugars

"Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
-Philippians 4:11
🙏
I appreciate your friendship/support at:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey
-Sugar 😘

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 11:52 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi, Ricky.

To access the AutoComplete setting head to File > Options and select the Mail tab in the left pane. Then scroll down to the Send Messages section and check or uncheck Use Auto-Complete List to suggest names when typing in the To, Cc, and Ccc lines.

Usually this set to on by default. What I think is wrong is that the Contacts view is not set to list or card view.

To do this:

1. Open Outlook.
2. Press CONTROL plus the number three below the function keys to open contacts.
3. Press ALT plus V, followed by the letters C, then V.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ricky Lomey
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:40 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


Re: AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Ricky.

To access the AutoComplete setting head to File > Options and select the
Mail tab in the left pane. Then scroll down to the Send Messages section and
check or uncheck Use Auto-Complete List to suggest names when typing in the
To, Cc, and Ccc lines.

Usually this set to on by default. What I think is wrong is that the
Contacts view is not set to list or card view.

To do this:

1. Open Outlook.
2. Press CONTROL plus the number three below the function keys to open
contacts.
3. Press ALT plus V, followed by the letters C, then V.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ricky Lomey
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:40 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it
depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


AUTOCOMPLETING EMAIL ADDRESSES IN OUTLOOK 2016

Ricky Lomey
 

Hi

How does one set to autocomplete email addresses in Outlook 2016 or does it
depend on which screen reader I use though don't see why it should.

Thanks.

Ricky Lomey


Re: Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #jaws

meadowlark226
 

Yeah, my SMA has run out. Thanks.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlark226@frontier.com

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 10:01 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #JAWS

Brenda,

Are you running the home annual subscription version of JAWS or are you
using what is now called a perpetual license? If you're running a
perpetual license your SMA must be up to date to allow you to run JAWS
2020. If it's the home annual license then this must also be valid and
not expired. In either case, you don't need to download each successive
version of JAWS 2020. Just go to the Freedom Scientific Web site and
download the latest version of JAWS 2020 and you should be fine. If your
2019 license has not expired or if your SMA (software maintenance
agreement) allows for at least one more upgrade then JAWS 2020 should
install and work with no issues. If you're in doubt of what you actually
have then contacting Vispero might be your best bet.

800 444-4443


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/3/2020 9:53 PM, meadowlark226 wrote:
David, can I get 2020? I am running the latest version of 2019. Do I have to start with the first version 2020 and what is it, so I can download the right one?

Brenda

mailto:meadowlark226@frontier.com

-----Original Message----- From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:27 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #JAWS



Hi. If you have a valid license of JAWS 2020, including the home annual license, this update is valid. Home annual licenses which have not expired can install any current update, even if you're still using JAWS 2019. In fact, this is one of the benefits of the home annual license, as opposed to the perpetual license.


David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdc099a96f4424cd95cd108d7efcdfd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637241540292533995&amp;sdata=vSL8FGe7ouyc4OaXkm05Q1NhNXQLX6VYKe9OUgCsCjE%3D&amp;reserved=0
On 4/28/2020 3:02 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:


Just wondering. Will this update work with the free anual version? Sure would hate to try to apply this update and have it turn it back into a demo or worse.



On 4/28/2020 11:47 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

Below is the download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems + what's new in this release.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjaws2020.vfo.digital%2F2020.2004.66.400%2FFAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16%2FJ2020.2004.66.400-any.exe&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdc099a96f4424cd95cd108d7efcdfd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637241540292543986&amp;sdata=jr8lwj%2BJX8D3YXKWIQr%2FaKqDuqJX99hHJ8IACmjH5Bc%3D&amp;reserved=0
Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end

2004.66.400/FAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16/J2020.2004.66.400-any.exe

The following is a list of improvements made between the March 2020 release and the April 2020 update.

Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.






Re: Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #jaws

David Goldfield
 

Brenda,

Are you running the home annual subscription version of JAWS or are you using what is now called a perpetual license? If you're running a perpetual license your SMA must be up to date to allow you to run JAWS 2020. If it's the home annual license then this must also be valid and not expired. In either case, you don't need to download each successive version of JAWS 2020. Just go to the Freedom Scientific Web site and download the latest version of JAWS 2020 and you should be fine. If your 2019 license has not expired or if your SMA (software maintenance agreement) allows for at least one more upgrade then JAWS 2020 should install and work with no issues. If you're in doubt of what you actually have then contacting Vispero might be your best bet.

800 444-4443


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/3/2020 9:53 PM, meadowlark226 wrote:
David, can I get 2020? I am running the latest version of 2019. Do I have to start with the first version 2020 and what is it, so I can download the right one?

Brenda

mailto:meadowlark226@frontier.com

-----Original Message----- From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:27 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #JAWS



Hi. If you have a valid license of JAWS 2020, including the home annual license, this update is valid. Home annual licenses which have not expired can install any current update, even if you're still using JAWS 2019. In fact, this is one of the benefits of the home annual license, as opposed to the perpetual license.


David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdc099a96f4424cd95cd108d7efcdfd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637241540292533995&amp;sdata=vSL8FGe7ouyc4OaXkm05Q1NhNXQLX6VYKe9OUgCsCjE%3D&amp;reserved=0
On 4/28/2020 3:02 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:


Just wondering. Will this update work  with the free anual version? Sure would hate to try to apply this update and have it turn it back into a demo or worse.



On 4/28/2020 11:47 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

Below is the download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems + what's new in this release.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjaws2020.vfo.digital%2F2020.2004.66.400%2FFAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16%2FJ2020.2004.66.400-any.exe&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdc099a96f4424cd95cd108d7efcdfd09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637241540292543986&amp;sdata=jr8lwj%2BJX8D3YXKWIQr%2FaKqDuqJX99hHJ8IACmjH5Bc%3D&amp;reserved=0
Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end

2004.66.400/FAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16/J2020.2004.66.400-any.exe

The following is a list of improvements made between the March 2020 release and the April 2020 update.

Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.





Re: Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #jaws

meadowlark226
 

David, can I get 2020? I am running the latest version of 2019. Do I have to start with the first version 2020 and what is it, so I can download the right one?

Brenda

mailto:meadowlark226@frontier.com

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:27 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Jaws2020 Update Build 2004.66.40 Update Download + What's New, #JAWS



Hi. If you have a valid license of JAWS 2020, including the home annual license, this update is valid. Home annual licenses which have not expired can install any current update, even if you're still using JAWS 2019. In fact, this is one of the benefits of the home annual license, as opposed to the perpetual license.


David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 4/28/2020 3:02 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:


Just wondering. Will this update work with the free anual version? Sure would hate to try to apply this update and have it turn it back into a demo or worse.



On 4/28/2020 11:47 AM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

Below is the download link for both 32 & 64 bit systems + what's new in this release.

http://jaws2020.vfo.digital/2020.2004.66.400/FAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16/J2020.2004.66.400-any.exe
Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end

2004.66.400/FAE8BEBF-943F-4773-8446-17D7524E0F16/J2020.2004.66.400-any.exe

The following is a list of improvements made between the March 2020 release and the April 2020 update.

Announce Group Changes in Outlook 365 Message Lists

JAWS can now indicate group changes, such as dates or conversations, as you navigate through message lists. For example, if your Outlook view settings
are set to show messages by date and you are navigating a folder containing messages covering multiple days, when you move to the first message in the
new date group, you will hear announcements such as "today," "yesterday," "last week," or "two weeks ago." To turn on this feature, open Quick Settings
(INSERT+V) while in Outlook and select the Announce Group Change in Lists check box.

New Focus Braille Display Commands for Adjusting Speech Rate

You can now use the following controls on the Focus braille display to adjust the speech rate.

list of 4 items
• Temporarily increase speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Temporarily decrease speech rate: LEFT or RIGHT SHIFT+LEFT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently increase speech rate: RIGHT SELECT CHORD
• Permanently decrease speech rate: LEFT SELECT CHORD
list end

New Dialog Box for Troubleshooting Remote Access

JAWS and Fusion now includes a new Remote Desktop dialog box to help troubleshoot remote access connection issues. It can be accessed from the Options
menu in JAWS or the Support submenu in the Fusion main menu. From this dialog box, you can:

list of 4 items
• See whether or not your Freedom Scientific software is authorized for remote access.
• Check the status for each supported remote channel (Remote Desktop, Citrix, or VMWare Horizon).
• Repair any channel that is reported to not be working.
• Test the connection between the client and server/remote computers.
list end

Other Changes
list of 8 items
• If Mouse Echo is enabled and you move over text with the mouse, JAWS or Fusion now only reads the current line as expected instead of reading everything
on the screen.
• Book nine of the JAWS Basic Training, Surf's Up, Surfing the Internet with JAWS, an Introduction, has been updated to include links to go directly to
the Surf's Up web pages. To get the latest book, select Training from the JAWS Help menu to open the Training Table of Contents in FSReader, select the
link to open book nine, and then press ENTER when prompted to install the updated book.
• Added a new Quick Settings (INSERT+V) option called List Nesting Level Announcement which is off by default and available in Chrome and Edge Chromiun.
Use this option to enable the announcement of nesting levels for list items in edit fields on web pages like Google Docs.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would sometimes exit Forms Mode when pressing ENTER in some multiline edit fields.
• In response to customer feedback, disabled the announcement of inserted and deleted text on web pages.
• In Microsoft Teams, when you press CTRL+PERIOD to display Teams hot keys, the Virtual Cursor is now active so you can review the keystrokes as if you
were on a web page.
• Addressed a reported issue in the retail version of Excel 2016 where JAWS would become sluggish after using Paste Special.
• Added updated braille drivers from Humanware containing performance improvements when using their line of displays with JAWS and Fusion.
list end


Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.


Re: Office 2016 versus Office 2019

David Goldfield
 

Hi. I'm not sure regarding the logistics of either having concurrent versions of Office installed or removing your 2016 to then replace it with 365. Of course, if you're unsatisfied with 365 after the trial you'd need to then remove the Office suite and then reinstall your 2016 edition and I don't know what's involved with doing this. I'm not sure if you first need to remove a license from your perpetual license in order to successfully reinstall it later or if 2016 is able to allow for additional reinstalls on the same system. I'll let someone else on this list address that set of issues. Yes, I prefer 365 and have been using it for around four years and would likely never return to a perpetual license. For me, having the additional space on Onedrive is quite appealing. I haven't done any detailed comparisons on the performance and features of perpetual vs subscription and it's possible that many users wouldn't care about or notice these differences but perhaps someone else on here might want to weigh in.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 5/3/2020 7:35 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:

David,

 

Thanks, good points. It looks like they offer a 1 month free trial. Of course, I’m assuming I’d have to uninstall Office 2016 to try it out, correct? I would only get the individual plan unless my wife opts to use it too. Are you using it, and if so, any comments compared to standard Office products?

 

Al

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:09 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Office 2016 versus Office 2019

 

Hello, Al.

Rather than upgrading to what Microsoft refers to as the perpetual license for Office 2019 I feel you might be better served by subscribing to what is now called Microsoft 365, which was formerly known as Office 365. This is a subscription service. The one advantage of purchasing a perpetual license to Office 2019 is that you pay a lump sum up front and you have the software license for pretty much as long as you want to continue using it, hence the reason for the term "perpetual" license. However, the subscription service has some definite advantages. Perpetual licensed versions of Office will not usually receive updates containing new features. Microsoft 365 does receive new features and perhaps even some accessibility fixes which might not make its way to the perpetual licensed version. Eventually, many of these features do make their way into perpetual licensed versions but not always the one you might be using. In other words, you might be using Office 2019 which, admittedly, may well contain some accessibility improvements over Office 2016. However, if Microsoft introduces a new feature the chances are that this new feature won't make its way into Office 2019 at all but will instead become available in the next perpetual licensed version of Office. Also, depending on what license you decide to go with you will have the opportunity to install Microsoft 365 on several different devices. You will also receive a terabyte of storage on Onedrive. This link will take you to the Microsoft 365 info page.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/3/2020 10:33 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:

I’m having some issues with Office 2016 That don’t seem to get resolved. Is Microsoft keeping Office more updated in terms of issues than Office 2016? Are there advantages to going to Office 2019? Are the programs rather similar in terms of the ribbon layout?

 

Thanks,

Al


Re: Laptop to replace desktop

Immigrant
 

I have a 300-GB hard drive, but since it is not my primary computer, I am not as concerned about it. And yes, my needs are far from high-end anything, high-end systems are both overly expensive for me and too much for my everyday needs.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:52 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

To be honest 13 inch units and under will have low storage drives.

And anything lower than 12, will have at most 256gb storage.

However its more like 128, and if thats not bad enough they will have 64 gb or less, down to 16gb flash memmory.

Thats barely enough to run windows, and even a 32-64gb drive you will be struggling to run much without an external drive or cloud service.

You will not be running any high end processer, a celeron or pentium is probably all you will get.

Sound will probably be no good or even worse and well if you want to be simple thats fine.

But don't expect much from it is all.

 

 

On 4/05/2020 10:32 am, Monte Single wrote:

I think an 11 inch screen  would be classed as a net book.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Immigrant via groups.io
Sent: May-03-20 4:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

My laptop has an 11-inch screen. But my first laptop had a 17-inch screen, and its keyboard didn't have a number pad either.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:04 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

JAWS ships with its own dedicated laptop layout commands.

As does NVDA.  But unless someone is using a laptop that does not have a number pad, or has a personal preference for laptop layout, I always suggest using desktop keyboard layout.

It's been so long since I have touched a laptop without a number pad that I've almost forgotten that such still exist.  I don't deal with netbooks very often at all, or laptops smaller than 15".
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Office 2016 versus Office 2019

Alan Robbins
 

David,

 

Thanks, good points. It looks like they offer a 1 month free trial. Of course, I’m assuming I’d have to uninstall Office 2016 to try it out, correct? I would only get the individual plan unless my wife opts to use it too. Are you using it, and if so, any comments compared to standard Office products?

 

Al

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:09 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Office 2016 versus Office 2019

 

Hello, Al.

Rather than upgrading to what Microsoft refers to as the perpetual license for Office 2019 I feel you might be better served by subscribing to what is now called Microsoft 365, which was formerly known as Office 365. This is a subscription service. The one advantage of purchasing a perpetual license to Office 2019 is that you pay a lump sum up front and you have the software license for pretty much as long as you want to continue using it, hence the reason for the term "perpetual" license. However, the subscription service has some definite advantages. Perpetual licensed versions of Office will not usually receive updates containing new features. Microsoft 365 does receive new features and perhaps even some accessibility fixes which might not make its way to the perpetual licensed version. Eventually, many of these features do make their way into perpetual licensed versions but not always the one you might be using. In other words, you might be using Office 2019 which, admittedly, may well contain some accessibility improvements over Office 2016. However, if Microsoft introduces a new feature the chances are that this new feature won't make its way into Office 2019 at all but will instead become available in the next perpetual licensed version of Office. Also, depending on what license you decide to go with you will have the opportunity to install Microsoft 365 on several different devices. You will also receive a terabyte of storage on Onedrive. This link will take you to the Microsoft 365 info page.

 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 5/3/2020 10:33 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:

I’m having some issues with Office 2016 That don’t seem to get resolved. Is Microsoft keeping Office more updated in terms of issues than Office 2016? Are there advantages to going to Office 2019? Are the programs rather similar in terms of the ribbon layout?

 

Thanks,

Al


Re: keyboards, was, Laptop to replace desktop

Tom K
 

I have a full keyboard on my  dell laptop, and it doesn’t have an applications key, so I use shift f10.  Tom K.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Immigrant via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 4:32 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

If you don't have an applications key, chances are high you don't have a number pad either, which removes the possibility of JAWS right mouse button.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 4:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

Hi,

Using NVDA or Jaws, you can simulate a mouse click which works superior to an applications key in that context, so again, still no need for a dedicated key.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 2:29 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

Exactly. And in discord I actually have to right click on a user to get a contextual menu. I cannot hit shift f10. I already tried. And on some websites shift f10 does not work at all. Only the applications key. OH and in sonar, you have to use the applications key, not shift f10 as that is mapped to something else.

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On 3 May 2020, at 10:55, Lenron wrote:

shift f10 doesn't work the same in sendspace or in reaper. There are
just certain things that don't allow you to use them the same.

On 5/3/20, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

But aren't microcode updates in effect becoming part of the BIOS? I
would assume they would still exist, even if I wiped my partition and
installed an older OS.  Additionally, about spectre, multiple additional
vulnerabilities were described in 2019 as well, and updates for 1903,
1809,  and 1909 encluded additional patches.

As for topicallity, yeah, this definately is borderline off topic.


On 5/3/2020 12:45 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

No, you cannot undo microcode updates released as part of cumulative
updates unless you install an unsupported version of Windows 10.
Microcode updates come from Intel and AMD (and ARM Holdings as well),
so Microsoft have no control over this except to advise folks as to
when they need it and what they need.

For those who may not be aware: Spectre and Meltdown are hardware
vulnerabilities dealing with program branches taken by hardware. These
vulnerabilities involve a processor performing things early when a
branch is encountered, meant to save you time by preparing results
early. These vulnerabilities take multiple forms:

* A processor can be forced to take a specific path when
encountering a branch.
* Code can monitor what branch a processor has taken in order to
retrieve results early.
* A processor doesn’t remove bad result after taking a path that it
isn’t supposed to take.

These are hardware design flaws – when branch prediction and
speculative execution are introduced with Pentium in 1990’s, the
design specified that hardware is supposed to acknowledge an error
with its prediction by flushing intermediate results. Two decades ago,
a possibility that this hardware design can be used as a security
vulnerability wasn’t widely publicized, and this came to light two
years ago. You may recall posts about it on this forum in 2018:
various cumulative updates for Version 1709 dealing with this flaw in
software, and to some extent, hardware. Recent Intel and AMD chips
come with mitigations for specific forms of these hardware design flaws.

As for Twilight Zone reference: topicality.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*enes saribas
*Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:31 AM
*To:* win10@win10.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

Hi Joseph,

Twilight zone? I didn't quite understand that reference.

Also, do you know if there is a way to completely only revert the
microcode patches Microsoft force pushed  into the cumulative updates?
And does inspectre disable all of the different mitigations? I noticed
though performance improved significantly after running inspectre and
disabling both of the options, however performance is far from what it
used to be.

On 5/3/2020 12:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

In theory, a carefully crafted malware can exploit this
vulnerability, as it is due to hardware design that didn’t account
for such a possibility in the 1990’s. It became publicized when
several newspapers released articles about it prior to coordinated
industry-wide disclosure in January 2018.

Is it me, or do you think we are getting into Twilight Zone somehow?

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
<win10@win10.groups.io> <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *enes saribas
*Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2020 10:15 AM
*To:* win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

Just because there is an issue doesn't necesarily mean it should
be fixed at all costs. There is a very significant performance
penalty with older processors. These vulnerabilities aren't
something that can be widely used, they are hardware
vulnerabilities, and require very advanced knowledge on
microprocessors to even exploit, many even require really specific
circomstances. There hasn't been a single reported instance of any
of them being used in the real world. They are basicly lab
vulnerabilities cooked up by academics in their labs, and have
very little usability outside of said labs.

On 5/3/2020 5:56 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

True but its probably not wize to do so.

They are there because there is an issue.

You can get performance back, I am sure, but this added
protection is there for a reason.

On 3/05/2020 7:30 pm, enes sarıbaş wrote:

I have a forth gen I5. You can get some of the
spectre/meltdown hardware vulnerability performance back
by disabling the fixes using inspectre.

On 5/3/2020 12:30 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

The generation is the key.

1.6ghz aint that bad if you are using one of the newer
9th and 10th gen units.

Due to the intel security issues, anything upto and
especially including the 8th gen will be 50% slower
due to windows security updates and such.

Its why I went for a ryzen 52nd gen unit when I could.

My dad has a 4th gen processer.

On 3/05/2020 4:45 pm, Governor staten wrote:

I have an eight-core machine, but, it is 1.6 ghz.
I'm pretty good about knowing things where
computers are concerned. I could have made a
better choice. I cannot use the virtual
backgrounds feature on Zoom.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 5/3/2020 12:42 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

there are ninth and tenth gen processors out.
You should absolutely go for one of them, or
go for the AMD Ryzen 4000 series if you wait a
bit longer.

On 5/2/2020 4:47 PM, Marie wrote:

I am not concerned about the disk size
because I have a 500GB external SSD drive
and also use Drop Box and One Drive. I
actually prefer not to store all that much
on the system. I might think about the ram
but can add to it if needed and the price
I have found is really good and I don’t
want to have anyone mess with the
configuration at this time.

Marie

*From:* Richard Villa

*Sent:* Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:35 PM

*To:* win10@win10.groups.io
<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [win10] Laptop to replace
desktop

If I were going for this machine I’d want
a larger SSD at least 500 gig. If possible
16 gig memory would be preferred. The rest
of the hardware sounds good.

*From:* win10@win10.groups.io
<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
<win10@win10.groups.io>
<mailto:win10@win10.groups.io> *On Behalf
Of *Marie
*Sent:* Saturday, May 2, 2020 3:16 PM
*To:* Win10 <win10@groups.io>
<mailto:win10@groups.io>
*Subject:* [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

I am wanting to replace my aging desktop
with a 15.6 in. laptop and would like some
advice. I run the latest versions of Jaws
and Win 10 and use Office 365 probably as
much as any other software. I am not a
gamer, nor do I do any real audio or video
editing.

I mainly do word processing, simple
spreadsheets, Email and web surfing.No
longer the power user I once was (and that
is by design!) I am looking at an Asus
because I have been using an Asus Zen book
for several years and love it. The specs
on the one I am leaning toward  are as
follows:

8th gen I5 1.6 with turbo Boost to 3.9

12GB ram

256SSD

2 USB 30 ports

One type c port, normal
headphone/microphone jack

HDMI port

SD card reader

Intel graphics

Harmon Karden stereo

Built-in microphone and web cam.

Any comments, negative or positive?

Thanks,Marie

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: laptop to replace desktop switchover

 

Hi all,
This forum does not have a dedicated chats subgroup, as there are mailing lists out there that can serve the same purpose. Also, creating a subgroup is a little bit involved on Win10 forum than others: a formal proposal must be submitted that justifies why a subgroup is necessary, with a follow-up discussion and membership vote that approves a given proposal. This was done to prevent creation of arbitrary subgroups (subgroup flooding), as subgroups exist for a specific purpose (Insiders subgroup is a good example).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:55 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] laptop to replace desktop switchover

Hi joseph and all.

I think its high time that we switch this to chat.

I have created a thread with the same subject so maybe we should port this over to chat so we can continue before we suddenly need to in the middle of a descussion.

Shaun


Re: laptop to replace desktop switchover

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Shaun,

           The Win10 Chat Subgroup hasn't existed for ages.  And attempting to shift this to the NVDA Chat Subgroup, while not forbidden, is not exactly kosher, either.

           It's up to the group owner and moderator to determine whether a topic "should be done," not yours, not mine, not any random member's.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Laptop to replace desktop

Immigrant
 

You may very well be right, I am not strong on classifications. I always thought a netbook is not only distinguished by a smaller size but it also has more limited functionality than a laptop, mainly focusing on the Internet. But this could have been revised. All I know is when I bought it, it was listed as a laptop.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
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I think an 11 inch screen  would be classed as a net book.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Immigrant via groups.io
Sent: May-03-20 4:15 PM
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My laptop has an 11-inch screen. But my first laptop had a 17-inch screen, and its keyboard didn't have a number pad either.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:04 PM
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On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

JAWS ships with its own dedicated laptop layout commands.

As does NVDA.  But unless someone is using a laptop that does not have a number pad, or has a personal preference for laptop layout, I always suggest using desktop keyboard layout.

It's been so long since I have touched a laptop without a number pad that I've almost forgotten that such still exist.  I don't deal with netbooks very often at all, or laptops smaller than 15".
 
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laptop to replace desktop switchover

 

Hi joseph and all.

I think its high time that we switch this to chat.

I have created a thread with the same subject so maybe we should port this over to chat so we can continue before we suddenly need to in the middle of a descussion.

Shaun


Re: Laptop to replace desktop

 

Well yeah and to complicate this my unit is classed as an ultrabook with 15 inch, its half the thickness as my older heavier laptop yet still has all the stuff I need.



On 4/05/2020 10:43 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Not exactly. Surface Pro 1 and 2 were under 11 inches and were not classified as a netbook (rather, they were tablets; with type cover, they could have been classified as part laptop). A netbook is really a specific type of small laptop designed primarily for web browsing, emails, media consumption and related activities (not to be confused with Chromebooks). There is another laptop model that could be classified as a netbook (or an ultrabook), but that is way off-topic 9hint: read Macvisionaries archive).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:33 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
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I think an 11 inch screen  would be classed as a net book.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Immigrant via groups.io
Sent: May-03-20 4:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

My laptop has an 11-inch screen. But my first laptop had a 17-inch screen, and its keyboard didn't have a number pad either.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:04 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

JAWS ships with its own dedicated laptop layout commands.

As does NVDA.  But unless someone is using a laptop that does not have a number pad, or has a personal preference for laptop layout, I always suggest using desktop keyboard layout.

It's been so long since I have touched a laptop without a number pad that I've almost forgotten that such still exist.  I don't deal with netbooks very often at all, or laptops smaller than 15".
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Laptop to replace desktop

 

Hi,

There are numerous examples that defy this assumption, including Surface Pro 7 (although it is a tablet, it can still be regarded as some sort of a laptop if you add type cover).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 3:52 PM
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To be honest 13 inch units and under will have low storage drives.

And anything lower than 12, will have at most 256gb storage.

However its more like 128, and if thats not bad enough they will have 64 gb or less, down to 16gb flash memmory.

Thats barely enough to run windows, and even a 32-64gb drive you will be struggling to run much without an external drive or cloud service.

You will not be running any high end processer, a celeron or pentium is probably all you will get.

Sound will probably be no good or even worse and well if you want to be simple thats fine.

But don't expect much from it is all.

 

 

On 4/05/2020 10:32 am, Monte Single wrote:

I think an 11 inch screen  would be classed as a net book.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Immigrant via groups.io
Sent: May-03-20 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

My laptop has an 11-inch screen. But my first laptop had a 17-inch screen, and its keyboard didn't have a number pad either.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:04 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Laptop to replace desktop

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 05:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

JAWS ships with its own dedicated laptop layout commands.

As does NVDA.  But unless someone is using a laptop that does not have a number pad, or has a personal preference for laptop layout, I always suggest using desktop keyboard layout.

It's been so long since I have touched a laptop without a number pad that I've almost forgotten that such still exist.  I don't deal with netbooks very often at all, or laptops smaller than 15".
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

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