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Re: No shutdown, logoff, etc. sounds are played in windows 10

 

I used to set up the shutdown sound through the Task Scheduler, but I have gotten so used to not having it that I don't bother any more.

You have to remember that there are times when even hearing the shutdown sound does not mean Windows has successfully shut down, something could block it and you'll never know.

In any case, even though my laptop is very quiet, I can still hear if it has shut down or not if I put my ear close to it, alternatively if you have an external hard drive you can usually tell easily if it's still vibrating which it won't do if Windows has shut down and there is no more power going to it.

Anyways, if you really want that shut down sound, you can try the following, just make sure you have fast startup disabled because if you don't this won't really work because Windows doesn't really shut down. In fact, if you have done the registry edits and you don't get the shutdown sound I would check this first. Here is how to do it through Task Manager:

 

Play Sound at Shutdown in Windows 10

 

Starting in Windows 8, the Windows Shutdown sound event has been disabled. This leaves you unable to change or play the Windows Shutdown sound when a user selects to shut down the PC in Windows 10. As a workaround, you can still create an elevated task to play a sound at shutdown Windows 10.

This tutorial will show you how to play a sound at shutdown for all users in Windows 10.

You must be signed in as an administrator to create an elevated task. Here's How:

 

1. Press the Win+R keys to open Run, type taskschd.msc into Run, and click/tap on OK to open Task Scheduler.

2. Click/tap on Task Scheduler Library in the left pane of Task Scheduler, and click/tap on Create Task in the right Actions pane.

3. In the General tab, type a name (ex: "Play shutdown sound") you want for this task.

4. In the General tab, select Run whether user is logged on or not.

5. In the General tab, check the Run with highest privileges box.

6. In the General tab, select Windows 10 in the Configure for drop down.

7. Click/tap on the Triggers tab, and click/tap on the New button.

8. Perform the actions below:

A) Select "On an event" in the Begin the task drop down.

B) Select "System" in the Log drop down.

C) Type "1074" (user initiated shutdown) in the Event ID drop down, and click/tap on OK.

9. Click/tap on the Actions tab, and click/tap on the New button.

10. Perform the actions below:

A) Select Start a program in the Action drop down.

B) Type "PowerShell" in the Program/script field box.

C) Enter the command below into the Add arguments field box, and click/tap on OK.

-c (New-Object Media.SoundPlayer 'C:\Windows\Media\Windows Shutdown.wav').PlaySync();

Note: If you wanted to play a sound (.wav file) of your choice instead, you can substitute C:\Windows\Media\Windows Shutdown.wav in the command above with the full path of the .wav file you want to be played.

11. Click/tap on the Conditions tab, uncheck the "Start the task only if the computer is on AC power" and click/tap on OK.

12. You will be prompted to enter your account's password, do so and click/tap on OK.

The "Play Shutdown Sound" task is now finished, and will now play a sound when the PC is shutdown.

 

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 7:29 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [winaccess] No shutdown, logoff, etc. sounds are played in windows 10

 

Hi all.

In one Czechoslovak discussion forum, one member published an article on how to set the sound to play when the user logs out of the system or decides to shut down or restart the computer so that the sound informs about events.

In the HKEY_CURRENT_USER AppEvents EventLabels registers, I found the following registry keys to edit them: SystemExist, WindowsLogoff, WindowsLogon, and WindowsUnlock.

These 4 registry keys had a value of 1, which just needed to be adjusted to 0. Once I did, the given event sound, such as the windows shutdown event, should play. Unfortunately, it doesn't work even if all sound events are active and playing system sounds, only when I shut down the system and assign a sound to it that shuts down windows will not play at all, while I tested it with the keyboard shortcut alt + t. What actually happened in Windows 10? Is it true that some operating system updates have prevented them from doing so? Then how do we blind find that Windows has shut down when it's not playing sound?

Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.1110


Re: No shutdown, logoff, etc. sounds are played in windows 10

leonard morris
 

In Windows 10 I was able to get that window start up sound back  but not the Windows shut down sound I am not very comfortable with messing with the registry so this was us changing sounds in windows itself.
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From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> on behalf of Ján Kulik <jan.kulik.szsle@...>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 10:28:33 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io>
Subject: [winaccess] No shutdown, logoff, etc. sounds are played in windows 10
 
Hi all.
In one Czechoslovak discussion forum, one member published an article on how to set the sound to play when the user logs out of the system or decides to shut down or restart the computer so that the sound informs about events.
In the HKEY_CURRENT_USER AppEvents EventLabels registers, I found the following registry keys to edit them: SystemExist, WindowsLogoff, WindowsLogon, and WindowsUnlock.
These 4 registry keys had a value of 1, which just needed to be adjusted to 0. Once I did, the given event sound, such as the windows shutdown event, should play. Unfortunately, it doesn't work even if all sound events are active and playing system sounds, only when I shut down the system and assign a sound to it that shuts down windows will not play at all, while I tested it with the keyboard shortcut alt + t. What actually happened in Windows 10? Is it true that some operating system updates have prevented them from doing so? Then how do we blind find that Windows has shut down when it's not playing sound?
Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.1110


No shutdown, logoff, etc. sounds are played in windows 10

Ján Kulik
 

Hi all.
In one Czechoslovak discussion forum, one member published an article on how to set the sound to play when the user logs out of the system or decides to shut down or restart the computer so that the sound informs about events.
In the HKEY_CURRENT_USER AppEvents EventLabels registers, I found the following registry keys to edit them: SystemExist, WindowsLogoff, WindowsLogon, and WindowsUnlock.
These 4 registry keys had a value of 1, which just needed to be adjusted to 0. Once I did, the given event sound, such as the windows shutdown event, should play. Unfortunately, it doesn't work even if all sound events are active and playing system sounds, only when I shut down the system and assign a sound to it that shuts down windows will not play at all, while I tested it with the keyboard shortcut alt + t. What actually happened in Windows 10? Is it true that some operating system updates have prevented them from doing so? Then how do we blind find that Windows has shut down when it's not playing sound?
Windows 10 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.1110


Re: Talking WinPE Boot Disk

 

We can customize our own PE system using wimbuilder2 and the official Microsoft image.
Here is the link to the github releases:
https://github.com/slorelee/wimbuilder2/releases


Re: Microsoft 365 question

 

That is not correct, it is a total of 5 devices so that could be 3 PC's, 1 phone and 1 tablet or any other combination, but the only way you can convince me it is a total of 15 devices would be to provide a link which clearly states this.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 5:25 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

It is 5 phones, 5 tablets and 5 pcs, for a total of 15.

On 7/18/2021 12:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
No it does not. I think it's only 1 machine. I could be wrong though. I'm going off of memory here.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:02 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

To be safe, just go to the Microsoft website and check for yourself. I do not believe the personal version allows you to use five machine, but I could be mistaken


-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria



















Re: JAWS support for Windows

valiant8086
 

Hi.


Very few computers that shipped with Windows 7 are unable to run Windows 10, so maybe it would just be time to upgrade that, and it might be a free upgrade, though the waters are kind of muddy about that. I've done it successfully without having to activate, but I'm not entirely sure whether when I did might have been a special case or not. Mostly I'm wondering what FS is dropping that means JAWS can't run on Win7 anymore. If they're ditching the old display mirroring technology that provides access for things for me now on Windows 11 that no other screen reader manages to do, I'll be pretty bothered. Hopefully it's all good news for the rest of us though.



On 7/18/2021 8:50 AM, Mike B. wrote:

Yes Immigrant, that was exactly the case, but like I stated in another post I sure would be mad if I only had Windows 7 computers and already paid for J2022 and couldn't afford a Windows 10 or 11 computer.  Thank you very much for the explanation.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:00 PM
Subject: [winaccess] JAWS support for Windows

I remember when FS, I think it was JAWS 16, announced that the JAWS version about to be released would not have any support for Windows XP. XP at that time was no longer supported by Microsoft. I think the JAWS version in question simply did not install on XP computers, the installer generated an error. Not totally sure on that, but this could be the scenario.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:22 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

That's understandable, but stating that Windows 7 as a whole can't be used with J2022. sounded like a part of the story is missing, and stopping it for only 32 bit versions of Windows 7 users sounds more like it.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 7:07 PM

Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

They probably won't do anything overt to stop Windows 7 users from using JAWS, but if they have a 32-bit version of Windows, JAWS 2022 isn't going to work because, JAWS 2022 will only support 64-bit installations. And Windows is going to keep evolving to the point that at some point, it won't be compatible with Windows 7.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io [mailto:winaccess@winaccess.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:40 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

And, jus how are they going to stop Windows 7 users from using Jaws2022?  I for one, would surely like to know where you got this.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

And 2022 of jaws will no longer support windows 7.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:35 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Hi,

Although it takes time, Vispero has shown willingness to keep up with Windows 10 changes more quickly in recent releases, and I expect JAWS 2022 to include changes to support Windows 11. As Windows 11 is a strictly 64-bit operating system, only 64-bit version of JAWS can be supported – you can’t really install 32-bit JAWS due to it using components that are matched to the machine architecture i.e. 64-bit JAWS requires 64-bit operating systems. I’ll talk about what works and doesn’t work with JAWS under Windows 11 (at this time) in a future thread.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 4:11 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

I second that.  Love FS here as well.

Jordan

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Not true at all, love fs.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 5:46 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Yes, I cannot imagine not using nvda! The great people in the nvda community, have kept nvda up to date with the latest versions and builds of windows! It takes Freedom Scientific a year or two to get Jaws working with the latest windows, now Windows 11, to work! I cannot imagine how long it will take for Freedom Scientific to get Jaws working well with Windows 11 lol! Free versus $1,000! Wow, nvda is a no-brainer to me, and I can do more with mvda then I can with jaws lol! It is such a blessing to have this community, I will never forget when someone gave me nvda on a USB stick in 2006 I believe! I have used nvda almost exclusive for 5 years!

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:36 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP


When Access, when does 11

mitchell lee
 

Hi, I’m beta testing, when does 11, I don’t see, the teams integration, has anyone else found it,

Mitch


contacts with outlook mobile

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest win 10 nvda and Microsoft 365.  I have all the office apps on my phone and was wondering if there is any way to use my contacts from my pc to my phone?

 

 

 

Regards, Gary KN4OX

Sendto: gmtravel@...

 


Re: Microsoft 365 question

enes sarıbaş
 

It is 5 phones, 5 tablets and 5 pcs, for a total of 15.

On 7/18/2021 12:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
No it does not. I think it's only 1 machine. I could be wrong though. I'm going off of memory here.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:02 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

To be safe, just go to the Microsoft website and check for yourself. I do not believe the personal version allows you to use five machine, but I could be mistaken


-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria


















Re: AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

Tom K
 

Hi, I’m running 64bit.

Tom K.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 11:12 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

What operating systems were these   p cs running?  32 or 64 bit?

This is a case where details are important.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: July 18, 2021 6:22 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Hi, I have tested 2 computers with Jaws 2020, and Jaws 2021, and have not had any problems. 

Have a great day, Tom K.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pradip Chandra Sikdar
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 12:32 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

What a nice and constructive message! Thank you for sharing my own views on this topic!
Pradip

On 7/18/2021 5:34 AM, valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.

 

These issues are strangely not consistent though. I can't reproduce it at all in Windows 10 on any of 7 different devices and none of my friends are complaining about it. I grant it seems to be JAWS and not NVDA, but next time it might be the other way around. With so much software code, you never can tell what's what. When something doesn't work properly, sometimes it's hard to blame the software itself, because you don't really know all the specifics about why it doesn't work like it should, and the fact that something else does the same thing just fine might, or might not, just be a matter of luck of the draw.

 

A few years back, we discovered that changing the alt+tab screen to be like that of Windows 7 using winaero tweaker broke JAWS but not NVDA and Narrator. I have no idea if that is possibly what's going on here though.

 

I do have issues with alt+tab under Windows 11 while using JAWS that don't cary over to NVDA, but it only changes the way it is read out, when you first hold alt and press tab the first time, it says a bunch of extra stuff before it tells you the window that now has focus. Thereafter, pressing tab more times is normal, so pressing alt and pressing tab twice quickly, and then pressing tab and listening to the windows until I get to the one I need has become the new habit, unless I know exactly which window it will be the first time I alt+tab. I fully expect this to be fixed, it's so obvious that I haven't even reported it in feedback hub for Windows itself or informed Vistero about it.

 

Another odd problem that JAWS has which NVDA and narrator don't is on certain computers, with certain programs, if you type quickly the letters you type are scrambled or dropped, making what you typed mostly impossible to read. I reproduce this on a gpd Micro running Windows 10 20h2 with an intel celleron n4100 and 8gb of ram, and an Asus Zenbook pt431fl with an Intel i7 10500u, 16gb ram. The Zenbook also has the annoying habit of somehow causing keypresses to not interrupt speech for the first minute or two after you wake it from sleep when using JAWS, but that doesn't happen with NVDA. JAWS has an alternative keyboard driver that solves both of these problems if you enable it in settings center, but it causes other issues that I need to report because those should be fixable. Meanwhile, sometimes if I close NVDA I lose access to my keyboard entirely. This has become much less common an occurrence of late, but it's not completely gone. NVDA won't read the One Drive window when JAWS reads all of it just fine, NVDA won't read certain parts of the program I use most, a very old program called Monkey Term, JAWS has no trouble at all with it. NVDA can't read the Realtek Audio control panel on certain computers hardly any if at all, but does perfectly on other computers with supposedly the same program, JAWS reads it on all of those just fine. They both got their strengths and weaknesses, and honestly, not having and using both is just missing out on the power and beauty of Windows. Even sometimes I think it makes sense to install JAWS even if you don't own it, just use the 40 minute demo for certain things, like uninstalling mccafee anti virus, certain variants of that program won't read at all with NVDA but JAWS handles it easily, but other variants work fine with NVDA as well.

 

 

 

 

I don't intend to change your opinion about this, but I do hope to let people who aren't really in the know be aware that the issues being reported are being caused by something that is unusual and it's probably not time to assume JAWS is just not up to the task, because these are corner cases, and I have corner cases where NVDA and Narator do things in ways that make programs or important functionality totally unusable that work perfectly with JAWS.

 

Meanwhile, I send 5 dollars a month to NVDA and have done so for over a year now. The cost per year ends up being very close to what I pay to maintain my JAWS SMA. If anyone who is here is currently not donating but can afford to do it, I would like to recommend doing so. I think it important not to lose NVDA or JAWS at this point because we don't want to end up with a stagnating situation where the accessibility of Windows stays the same or gets worse with nobody making an effort to change things. With only two or 1 screen reader left, that eventuality is closer to becoming reality. Competition between manufacturers is always a good thing for the customer. we should support and encourage that as much as we can. We lost out on the opportunity to do that with the Mac OS platform, and while it has been improving in many ways, in other ways it stays the same or falls behind for important functionality. I couldn't give specific examples because I no longer have a MAC device though, so I'll put my own grains of salt on that last remark by pointing out that what I say concerning MAC OS accessibility is hearsay. I do use Narrator, NVDA and JAWS quite a bit, however, and Windows 10 and 11 a ridiculous number of hours a day. JAWS is my primary, and I remain happy with it. I got JAWS for free legally, and I now get my SMA's paid every two years for me using legal government programs that provide that service, but I would have bought JAWS and would be paying my own money to keep the SMA's going with no regrets. I can't see any reason not to when office 365 costs a similar amount per year and nobody complains about that. That's one of my arguments when friends want to talk about whether they should let their SMA drop.

 

It's important for us to have the best access we can have. it's worth that money to me even for the off chance NVDA will either stop being updated and stop working, or some functionality won't be there, to keep my SMA going. Of course, now that JAWS is available with the home annual thing for the US market, those of us who haven't already bought it can get on board at any time without having to buy JAWS up front. I think that's a great thing.

 

 

 

 

On 7/17/2021 1:36 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP

 

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Re: AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

Loy
 


Jaws has always been ready for any new updated Windows version by the time the OS is out.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

Where in the world do you get the idea that it takes FS a year to adjust? That is absurd and you could not pay me enough to switch to NVDA. I have it and use it on rare occasions to compare.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:46 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Yes, I cannot imagine not using nvda! The great people in the nvda community, have kept nvda up to date with the latest versions and builds of windows! It takes Freedom Scientific a year or two to get Jaws working with the latest windows, now Windows 11, to work! I cannot imagine how long it will take for Freedom Scientific to get Jaws working well with Windows 11 lol! Free versus $1,000! Wow, nvda is a no-brainer to me, and I can do more with mvda then I can with jaws lol! It is such a blessing to have this community, I will never forget when someone gave me nvda on a USB stick in 2006 I believe! I have used nvda almost exclusive for 5 years!

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:36 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP


Re: Microsoft 365 question

 

Even the personal version allows you to use 5 devices, but you are limited to one user whereas with the Family or Home subscription I think 5 or maybe now even 6 people can also use the Office suite on up to 5 devices each and each of the 5 people gets 1 Tb of OneDrive storage.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:54 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

No it does not. I think it's only 1 machine. I could be wrong though. I'm going off of memory here.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:02 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

To be safe, just go to the Microsoft website and check for yourself. I do not believe the personal version allows you to use five machine, but I could be mistaken


-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria




Re: AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Exactly, the Jaws 2022 beta cycle has already started and I know people who are part of the Windows Insider program and have already installed Windows 11 and are using it. When it comes out in the fall nobody has to worry beyond the usual stuff, bug exist in Windows 10 now as they do in NVDA and Jaws and all other software.

And I can't imagine running my business without Jaws, I have been using Jaws exclusively since the days of DOS in 1989 when I bought my first computer when I started University and while I tried NVDA from time to time, I am so used to Jaws and how to do stuff that I just can't get used to NVDA. I really don't think nowadays anybody has to slam Jaws just as nobody should slam NVDA or Apple or Android. All of these platforms and applications are mature and work well and it's simply a matter of choice as to which one everybody chooses to use. And please let's not start a discussion about how expensive Jaws is compared to NVDA, that would be like comparing any open-source piece of software with a commercially produced one and besides, NVDA maybe free to users, but if some users and companies wouldn't donate to them it would be long dead because even an open-source project like NVDA has expenses which need to be paid. How many of us pay for Netflix and a music subscription like Spotify or Apple Music so paying $7.50 a months for a Jaws subscription if you are in the US or even less if you take advantage of the recently offered 20% discount during convention time really makes me wonder where the thought of "expensive' comes from. Yes, if you are a new user you have the initial expense, but for so many this was so long ago and if you end up using Jaws as long as I have that initial cost broken down over so many years is really not all that much. Imagine what sighted people pay for their cars, first the initial purchase, then each year thousands and thousands for insurance, fuel, parking fees and maintenance. I totally depend on a screenreader to run my business and use it probably 9-12 hours a day between my 8-10 hours at work and a bit more at home. Any blind person who is employed or self-employed depends on it and even if you don't work or are retired you depend on it for reading the news, online shopping, communication and so much more and then to complain about a few Dollars a month as some do to me is ridiculous and I am pretty sure those who do and use NVDA for that reason are those who probably never donated a Penny for the continued development of their screenreader.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:11 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Where in the world do you get the idea that it takes FS a year to adjust? That is absurd and you could not pay me enough to switch to NVDA. I have it and use it on rare occasions to compare.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:46 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Yes, I cannot imagine not using nvda! The great people in the nvda community, have kept nvda up to date with the latest versions and builds of windows! It takes Freedom Scientific a year or two to get Jaws working with the latest windows, now Windows 11, to work! I cannot imagine how long it will take for Freedom Scientific to get Jaws working well with Windows 11 lol! Free versus $1,000! Wow, nvda is a no-brainer to me, and I can do more with mvda then I can with jaws lol! It is such a blessing to have this community, I will never forget when someone gave me nvda on a USB stick in 2006 I believe! I have used nvda almost exclusive for 5 years!

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:36 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP


Re: AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

Chris Nova
 

Back in the day this used to be true, Windows XP, Vista etc.

These days it is no longer the case. Both NVDA and JAWS will support Windows 11 before it is available to the public.

If I remember correctly I was using Windows 10 on the date of it’s release. Probably 8.1 as well.

Chris

 

 

Sent from a SuperNova!

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Where in the world do you get the idea that it takes FS a year to adjust? That is absurd and you could not pay me enough to switch to NVDA. I have it and use it on rare occasions to compare.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:46 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Yes, I cannot imagine not using nvda! The great people in the nvda community, have kept nvda up to date with the latest versions and builds of windows! It takes Freedom Scientific a year or two to get Jaws working with the latest windows, now Windows 11, to work! I cannot imagine how long it will take for Freedom Scientific to get Jaws working well with Windows 11 lol! Free versus $1,000! Wow, nvda is a no-brainer to me, and I can do more with mvda then I can with jaws lol! It is such a blessing to have this community, I will never forget when someone gave me nvda on a USB stick in 2006 I believe! I have used nvda almost exclusive for 5 years!

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:36 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP




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Re: Microsoft 365 question

Sarah k Alawami
 

No it does not. I think it's only 1 machine. I could be wrong though. I'm going off of memory here.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:02 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

To be safe, just go to the Microsoft website and check for yourself. I do not believe the personal version allows you to use five machine, but I could be mistaken


-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria




Re: AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

Where in the world do you get the idea that it takes FS a year to adjust? That is absurd and you could not pay me enough to switch to NVDA. I have it and use it on rare occasions to compare.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:46 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] AS an NVDA user, This is scarey! was How do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

Yes, I cannot imagine not using nvda! The great people in the nvda community, have kept nvda up to date with the latest versions and builds of windows! It takes Freedom Scientific a year or two to get Jaws working with the latest windows, now Windows 11, to work! I cannot imagine how long it will take for Freedom Scientific to get Jaws working well with Windows 11 lol! Free versus $1,000! Wow, nvda is a no-brainer to me, and I can do more with mvda then I can with jaws lol! It is such a blessing to have this community, I will never forget when someone gave me nvda on a USB stick in 2006 I believe! I have used nvda almost exclusive for 5 years!

 

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:36 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Just my humble opinion,

 

AS an NVDA user and someone who has never used JAWS, the fact that such a simple command as alt+tab cannot be done easily with JAWS is pretty scary. This is another reason I will never use it. Thank god for NVDA.

 

Janet

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capelle, Michael C.
Sent: July 16, 2021 8:54 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

No, I ddi change that, no go.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 9:49 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] FW: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1?

 

There was some setting in Windows that controls what alt+tab does. I can't recall where it is right now. This could be your issue.

 

 


 

On 7/16/2021 10:05 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Joseph,

 

I’ve been having Alt-Tab issues since 21H1 but can’t quite put my finger on describing the problem. It just seems like the sequencing is not working the way I’ve expected so something seems broken.

 

BP


Re: Microsoft 365 question

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

If you go to the Microsoft 365/sharing site, you will find a list of the machines you currently use. You can take one or several off by signing out of them. I just did this, so I know it works.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:06 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

There is no deactivation of Office 365, unlike Windows 10. Simply sign out of the software from within any of the Office apps if you have hit your 5 sign in limit.
For example; Open Word, press Alt+F, D,R and press tab until you find the option to sign out. That will sign out all apps on that PC/VM and will allow you to sign in on another installation.
Like I said, you can install the software an unlimited amount of times, but only have 5 signed in instances.

Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Capelle, Michael C. <m.capelle@charter.net> wrote:

Where do I go to deactivate a machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 5:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria













Re: Microsoft 365 question

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

To be safe, just go to the Microsoft website and check for yourself. I do not believe the personal version allows you to use five machine, but I could be mistaken

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 3:57 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

You can install it on an unlimited number of devices, but you can only run it simultaneously on 5 devices. For example including virtual machines I have 11 installs of Office, but only 4 of those installs are always signed in and active, leaving me 1 more sign-in that I can use on my other virtual machines. I just need to make sure that I log out when I am done using it on my VM.
Worst case scenario is I get a message that I have reached my maximum number of signed in installations and I have to fire up that VM where I was last signed in and sign out.
HTH,
Jim Weiss
jimweiss72@icloud.com



On Jul 18, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria




Re: Microsoft 365 question

 

A Google search for "How many devices can Microsoft 365 be installed on", gave this information:

Featured snippet from the web
five devices
With Microsoft 365, you can install Office on all your devices and sign in to Office on five devices at the same time. This includes any combination of PCs, Macs, tablets, and phones.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:50 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [winaccess] Microsoft 365 question

Hello list,
please, if I purchase Microsoft 365 personal, on how many devices can it be installed?
Thank you in advance.
Maria


Re: A bit of a scary one!

Jordan Gallacher
 

I had a similar thing happen yesterday. I rebooted my machine, and when it came up and I entered my pin, it took me to a whole new user profile. Fortunately, signing out of that brought me back to things being normal.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 10:53 AM
To: Winaccess <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io>
Subject: [winaccess] A bit of a scary one!

This morning when I turned on my computer it didn't boot completely to the desktop as it should but instead came up with a lock screen and a sign in button. I had no idea what to do with this as I've never set up a password or anything as I'm the only one who uses this computer. The only thing I could think of was just to turn it off and try again.
Fortunately, it came up normally this time! So what I'm wondering about is what caused this, and second is there anyway to dismiss a lock screen that I didn't invoke without doing it by brute force and turning it off and on again?


Any ideas are appreciated.

Thanks.

Roger

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