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Re: Surprise log-in issue

tim
 

I found that screen on a install. It said hit install to enter. So I did and then it came up with "While your installing here is some software from Microsoft you can look at."

I never thought I would get a commericail doing a install.

On 8/1/2021 1:37 PM, Bill Powers wrote:

Thanks Tim & Sieghard for your input. Oh if I can find the advertising option I’ll shut that thing off. I guess I could have had Seeing AI read it but it was way late at night and didn’t want my phone to wake up my wife back in the bedroom. (She has big ears and can probably hear miles away, unlike me being partially deaf.) I just wish MS wouldn’t throw those screens up. If I want to try out something I’ll do it on my own.

 

Thanks,

 

BP


Re: Registry and start up sound

Alan Robbins
 

Tim,

 

It is, thanks

 

Alan

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:32 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

make sure you have the windows sound picked in the first list box or it won't know what to play.

On 8/1/2021 1:30 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan


Re: Registry and start up sound

Alan Robbins
 

Thanks to all for suggestions. I have checked and rechecked everything and still no sound. Is there a place I can check in the registry to make sure that checkbox in properly setting it in there?

 

Alan

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 2:04 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

And you may want to explain exactly what sound cards you have and use. For example, on my Asus laptop I use a Logitech H800 headset which is a wireless headset and I use it with the included USB dongle.

When my Asus laptop starts up the startup sound plays on the external speakers of the laptop, but then when Jaws kicks in at the login screen that comes through the headset.

If you have multiple sound devices check which one is selected as the default, if you have a wired USB headset connected the startup sound doesn't play on it where you may not even hear it unless you are wearing the headset.

Another scenario is on one of my HP mini PC's at work, it has a very small internal speaker which really isn't good enough or loud enough for much and that particular PC has a screen which has speakers. I have the default set to be the screen via HDMI, but just as with my Logitech Headset at home, Jaws starts speaking through the screen's speakers at logon, but the startup sound plays on the little internal speaker and you can barely hear it.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

Make sure that the checkbox for the startup sound is still enabled along with turning off fast startup

 

 

 

 

From: Alan Robbins
Sent: 01 August 2021 18:30
To: WinAccess (WinAccess@groups.io)
Subject: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan

 


Re: Surprise log-in issue

Lino Morales
 

I'm going to make a guess here. Speech should have read said INFO. I wonder if it was giving you the options to finishing setting up your computer. I get that every once in a while. I can't afford MS 365 so I hit the skip for now or whatever that button is.

On 8/1/2021 6:02 AM, Bill Powers wrote:

Hi All,

 

I just had a strange log-on issue when I turned on my computer about half an hour ago and instead of the normal screen I get in which I have to put in my PIN, I was greeted with a graphical screen with no way to enlarge it and no way to get sound. I tried to make sense of the screen which seemed like it was trying to get me to make choices but not much luck. I could make out at one point one of the pages I clicked through mentioned Microsoft 365 making your device run better, which I already have, clicked through it and eventually must have completed whatever this was so I could get to the desktop and then have speech and large print. I noticed the same thing earlier today on another computer I was working on with the same scenario. Would this have been because the computer downloaded and installed an update for which I was not asked? I guess I will have to check a bit later and see what version I’m now at then, I would think still Windows 10 since I have heard 11 is very different.

 

It sure would be nice if these options were readable in large print and/or speech. Or else how do we know what we’re opting for?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

BP


Re: Registry and start up sound

tim
 

make sure you have the windows sound picked in the first list box or it won't know what to play.

On 8/1/2021 1:30 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan


Re: Registry and start up sound

 

And you may want to explain exactly what sound cards you have and use. For example, on my Asus laptop I use a Logitech H800 headset which is a wireless headset and I use it with the included USB dongle.

When my Asus laptop starts up the startup sound plays on the external speakers of the laptop, but then when Jaws kicks in at the login screen that comes through the headset.

If you have multiple sound devices check which one is selected as the default, if you have a wired USB headset connected the startup sound doesn't play on it where you may not even hear it unless you are wearing the headset.

Another scenario is on one of my HP mini PC's at work, it has a very small internal speaker which really isn't good enough or loud enough for much and that particular PC has a screen which has speakers. I have the default set to be the screen via HDMI, but just as with my Logitech Headset at home, Jaws starts speaking through the screen's speakers at logon, but the startup sound plays on the little internal speaker and you can barely hear it.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

Make sure that the checkbox for the startup sound is still enabled along with turning off fast startup

 

 

 

 

From: Alan Robbins
Sent: 01 August 2021 18:30
To: WinAccess (WinAccess@groups.io)
Subject: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan

 


Re: Registry and start up sound

Chris
 

Make sure that the checkbox for the startup sound is still enabled along with turning off fast startup

 

 

 

 

From: Alan Robbins
Sent: 01 August 2021 18:30
To: WinAccess (WinAccess@groups.io)
Subject: [WinAccess] Registry and start up sound

 

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan

 


Re: Surprise log-in issue

Bill Powers
 

Thanks Tim & Sieghard for your input. Oh if I can find the advertising option I’ll shut that thing off. I guess I could have had Seeing AI read it but it was way late at night and didn’t want my phone to wake up my wife back in the bedroom. (She has big ears and can probably hear miles away, unlike me being partially deaf.) I just wish MS wouldn’t throw those screens up. If I want to try out something I’ll do it on my own.

 

Thanks,

 

BP


Registry and start up sound

Alan Robbins
 

Hello,

 

My wife and I have exactly the same computers, similar setups, and Win 10 version21H1. We both have the checkbox checked to play a startup sound on boot up. Neither of us use the fast start up option as both machines have SSD’s. her machine plays the sound, mine does not. I believe this is controlled in the registry file. Any suggestions as to where I would look and what the setting should be in there?

 

Alan


Re: Surprise log-in issue

 

You definitely don't have Windows 11 because it won't be released until October or around that time and even then whether you get it or not depends on your computer. I just read an article where somebody from Microsoft apparently confirmed that Microsoft will stick to its guns with respect to the minimum requirements of at least an Intel 8th generation CPU or a AMD Ryzen 2000 series as well as TPM 2.0 and SecureBoot enabled. The current exemption for people to beta test Windows 11 on computers which won't meet these criteria will not be carried forward because Microsoft wants Windows 11 to be a very good and also secure experience and they say that they could not guaranty this with anything below these specifications.

 

Not sure if you have an iPhone, but I find that using the short text channel in the Seeing AI App works great for reading your computer screen. I often use that when there is a Windows update where it says to not turn off your device and give the percentage of the install, Seeing AI always reads this perfectly and if it didn't read something I would simply use Aira and ask a sighted agent to look at the screen for me or you could even call Microsoft Accessibility using the Be My Eyes app.

 

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Powers
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:03 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] Surprise log-in issue

 

Hi All,

 

I just had a strange log-on issue when I turned on my computer about half an hour ago and instead of the normal screen I get in which I have to put in my PIN, I was greeted with a graphical screen with no way to enlarge it and no way to get sound. I tried to make sense of the screen which seemed like it was trying to get me to make choices but not much luck. I could make out at one point one of the pages I clicked through mentioned Microsoft 365 making your device run better, which I already have, clicked through it and eventually must have completed whatever this was so I could get to the desktop and then have speech and large print. I noticed the same thing earlier today on another computer I was working on with the same scenario. Would this have been because the computer downloaded and installed an update for which I was not asked? I guess I will have to check a bit later and see what version I’m now at then, I would think still Windows 10 since I have heard 11 is very different.

 

It sure would be nice if these options were readable in large print and/or speech. Or else how do we know what we’re opting for?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

BP


Re: Surprise log-in issue

tim
 

you might of had a small update hit and throw you microsoft advertizing. you can turn that off in settings.

it was giving you options to try and or get what it was showing.

Try alt+tab should get you in log window, and narrator can work there also.

On 8/1/2021 6:02 AM, Bill Powers wrote:

Hi All,

 

I just had a strange log-on issue when I turned on my computer about half an hour ago and instead of the normal screen I get in which I have to put in my PIN, I was greeted with a graphical screen with no way to enlarge it and no way to get sound. I tried to make sense of the screen which seemed like it was trying to get me to make choices but not much luck. I could make out at one point one of the pages I clicked through mentioned Microsoft 365 making your device run better, which I already have, clicked through it and eventually must have completed whatever this was so I could get to the desktop and then have speech and large print. I noticed the same thing earlier today on another computer I was working on with the same scenario. Would this have been because the computer downloaded and installed an update for which I was not asked? I guess I will have to check a bit later and see what version I’m now at then, I would think still Windows 10 since I have heard 11 is very different.

 

It sure would be nice if these options were readable in large print and/or speech. Or else how do we know what we’re opting for?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

BP


Re: Surprise log-in issue

Bill Powers
 

When I was presented with the screens I couldn’t seem to press anything to do any action. I didn’t even think of Narrator but if I see that screen on another machine will try it.

 

Thanks,

 

BP


Re: Surprise log-in issue

Chris
 

I guess you could have tried turning on narrator to get you through,  maybe next time

 

 

From: Bill Powers
Sent: 01 August 2021 11:02
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] Surprise log-in issue

 

Hi All,

 

I just had a strange log-on issue when I turned on my computer about half an hour ago and instead of the normal screen I get in which I have to put in my PIN, I was greeted with a graphical screen with no way to enlarge it and no way to get sound. I tried to make sense of the screen which seemed like it was trying to get me to make choices but not much luck. I could make out at one point one of the pages I clicked through mentioned Microsoft 365 making your device run better, which I already have, clicked through it and eventually must have completed whatever this was so I could get to the desktop and then have speech and large print. I noticed the same thing earlier today on another computer I was working on with the same scenario. Would this have been because the computer downloaded and installed an update for which I was not asked? I guess I will have to check a bit later and see what version I’m now at then, I would think still Windows 10 since I have heard 11 is very different.

 

It sure would be nice if these options were readable in large print and/or speech. Or else how do we know what we’re opting for?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

BP

 


Surprise log-in issue

Bill Powers
 

Hi All,

 

I just had a strange log-on issue when I turned on my computer about half an hour ago and instead of the normal screen I get in which I have to put in my PIN, I was greeted with a graphical screen with no way to enlarge it and no way to get sound. I tried to make sense of the screen which seemed like it was trying to get me to make choices but not much luck. I could make out at one point one of the pages I clicked through mentioned Microsoft 365 making your device run better, which I already have, clicked through it and eventually must have completed whatever this was so I could get to the desktop and then have speech and large print. I noticed the same thing earlier today on another computer I was working on with the same scenario. Would this have been because the computer downloaded and installed an update for which I was not asked? I guess I will have to check a bit later and see what version I’m now at then, I would think still Windows 10 since I have heard 11 is very different.

 

It sure would be nice if these options were readable in large print and/or speech. Or else how do we know what we’re opting for?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

BP


Re: with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

Sarah k Alawami
 

You  SHOULD BE ABLE TO just hit f6 to get to that area, find and click save, , and. Then close out of there by clicking close.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:26 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, When I sign into a site, it asks me if I want to save my user name and password.  How do I tell it yes or no?  Tom K.

 


Re: onedrive seems to be unaccessible for users of screen readers #nvdasr #narrator

Kevin Cussick
 

thanks, I am not putting jaws on any machines of mines. but thanks narrator does a better job than Nvda.

On 31/07/2021 16:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Every screenreader has strength and weaknesses, in some situations NVDA may d a better job then Jaws or provide more or better information and in some cases it's the other way around. If NVDA does not allow you to read these options for OneDrive then this is an example where Jaws can do it and until NVDA developers figure out how to do this as well you could use the work-around of using the demo version of Jaws when you want to access the OneDrive settings. It's not like that is something you have to do every day and typically once set up there isn't all that much which has to be change all the time so 40 minutes should be enough time to accomplish the task and if it is not you can always reboot and run Jaws again for another 40 minutes..
-----Original Message-----
From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via groups.io
Sent: July 30, 2021 1:35 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] onedrive seems to be unaccessible for users of screen readers #nvdasr #narrator
Hi, well I used narrator, and went to one drive on the system tray,
hit application key or You could do shift f10 and you get stuff that nvda just does not announce. it would be good if any of the devs of nvda has any ideas? thanks in advance.
On 30/07/2021 06:54, J.G wrote:
Hello,

using win10 21h1 and tried both NVDA and Narrator with same results,
before posted a question here. it is described also in a given issue
(link in a first message).

thanks.

best regards,
Jožef


Re: with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

Bill White
 

Hi, Tom. It's F6, not six. SHIFT plus F10 is a right click to the context menu. The password save dialogue is not a context item. It is a different pane within the browser window.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io [mailto:winaccess@winaccess.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 9:34 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi Bill, is that 6, or f6?  Also, for a lot of things I have to use shift f10. Tom.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:26 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, Tom K. When it asks you if you want to save your username and password, press Function key 6, (F6), and you should hear the browser say, "Save Password", if you are using Edge or Chrome.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io [mailto:winaccess@winaccess.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:26 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, When I sign into a site, it asks me if I want to save my user name and password.  How do I tell it yes or no?  Tom K.

 


Re: Edge and favorites

Curtis Delzer
 

control D as in delta.

On 7/31/2021 8:20 AM, Tom K via groups.io wrote:
Hi, when I land on a site, I can't remember how to add it to my favorites, could someone please let me know what keys to hit?
Thanks, Tom K.
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Curtis Delzer
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K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@calweb.com


Re: with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

gbmagoo@...
 

He said function key which is f6

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 09:34
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi Bill, is that 6, or f6?  Also, for a lot of things I have to use shift f10. Tom.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:26 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, Tom K. When it asks you if you want to save your username and password, press Function key 6, (F6), and you should hear the browser say, "Save Password", if you are using Edge or Chrome.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io [mailto:winaccess@winaccess.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:26 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, When I sign into a site, it asks me if I want to save my user name and password.  How do I tell it yes or no?  Tom K.

 


Re: with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

Tom K
 

Hi Bill, is that 6, or f6?  Also, for a lot of things I have to use shift f10. Tom.

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io <winaccess@winaccess.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:26 PM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: Re: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, Tom K. When it asks you if you want to save your username and password, press Function key 6, (F6), and you should hear the browser say, "Save Password", if you are using Edge or Chrome.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io [mailto:winaccess@winaccess.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom K via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 8:26 AM
To: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io
Subject: [WinAccess] with edge, telling the computer how to remember user info

 

Hi, When I sign into a site, it asks me if I want to save my user name and password.  How do I tell it yes or no?  Tom K.

 

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