What are toasts?


Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I've changed the subject to better reflect my topic.  Hope that was OK.
 
I might get to this later in the recording, but what are toasts?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] Accessible World presentation on Anniversary Update: technical version and clarifications #WinTen1607

Hi,

It should (at least on my computer, it does). When you hear toast sound, press Windows+V to move to it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:58 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Accessible World presentation on Anniversary Update: technical version and clarifications #WinTen1607

 


       
hi Joseph.
you can tell me if narrator reads toasts from the system and  (notifications app)?
I tried here in my pc and narrator does not tell me anything.
just make sounds that I do not know what they mean.
how to catch toasts (app notifications) in windows 10 with the narrator?
thanks.
cheers.

Às 18:38 de 03/08/2016, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

 

For those who’d like to get a deeper (and a bit more technical) overview of Anniversary Update, I have recorded a podcast providing additional information and clarifications from Accessible World presentation from August 1st:

http://nvda-kr.org/files/winten14393B.mp3

 

Things covered include:

·         OneCore (some info derived from an Ars Technica article from Peter Bright).

·         Build numbering changes and why.

·         Why browse mode in Edge broke for NVDA users and happenings since then, why traditional virtual buffer implementations will not work in Edge anymore.

·         The story behind toasts (app notifications).

·         Redesigned User Account Control.

·         Skype Preview app.

·         Windows Subsystem for Linux, specifically how Linux kernel 3.4 system calls are handled.

·         How scan mode in Narrator works.

 

Specifics (quite technical):

 

OneCore is a set of most fundamental routines all devices running Windows 10 share. The goal of this project was to unify routines used within Windows NT kernel (ntoskrnl.exe), such as security, file system support, basic API’s and so on. Each device family then adds layers on top, such as:

 

·         PC’s: OneCore + Universal Windows Platform + desktop app support + desktop interface + Internet Explorer + other components.

·         Mobile: OneCore + UWP + cell phone connectivity stack + smartphone interface and others.

·         Server 2016: OneCore + server components.

·         Xbox: oneCore + UWP + game virtual machine + support for gaming hardware and so on.

·         HoloLens: OneCore + UWP + Windows Hologrpahic and others.

·         IoT: OneCore + UWP + IoT-specific things.

·         Surface Hub: OneCore + UWP + Desktop apps support + multi-touch support and others.

·         Future devices: OneCore + (possibly) UWP + device-specific layers.

Edge: Browse mode broke due to different UIA framework ID’s in use (InternetExplorer versus MicrosoftEdge). According to a MS engineer who was interviewed for the most recent Main Menu podcast, due to security practices and to use modern standards and UIA, Edge does not permit traditional virtual buffer mechanisms anymore, thus screen readers must be modified to handle UIA better and support Edge-specific controls.

 

App notifications: until Version 1511, when toasts (app notifications) appear, they fired (sent) tooltip show event, used by screen readers to catch it and announce toasts. Starting with a more recent Insider build for Anniversary Update, tooltip events are not fired by toasts; instead, a window open UIA event is used, thus screen readers were (or must be) modified to handle this change. Also, when high priority toasts appear, UIA class name changes, thus some screen readers were modified (or must be modified) to handle this case as well.

 

Skype Preview app: when someone is typing, a UIA event is fired. But when someone is not typing, Skype Preview app does not clear typing indicator text, confusing screen reader users (a feedback regarding this UIA implementation issue was sent to Microsoft).

 

Subsystem for Linux: a partnership between Microsoft and Canonical brought this to life. Originally used to research running Android apps on Windows 10 Mobile (Astoria), this changed so some unmodified Ubuntu binaries can function under Anniversary Update with a twist. Specifically, a concept of a minimal process and a picoprocess is used to accomplish this (a minimal process is an empty process when Windows NT kernel sees it; a picoprocess is a representation of a user-mode process from another operating system with a system component serving as a proxy). Because Windows NT kernel (specifically, Windows Native API) does not have certain Linux kernel features, a pico driver called lxss.sys (Linux Subsystem) is used to emulate some system calls if Windows kernel cannot handle it. This is just one of the aspects of this new subsystem (available for developers running 64-bit Anniversary Update and uses an image of Ubuntu 14.04) (all info came from a blog entry on picoprocess found in Microsoft, a part of a larger series on Windows Subsystem for Linux).

 

User Account Control: Until Version 1511, UAC dialog was powered by Win32. This has changed in Anniversary Update: now powered by the technology used to represent UI in universal apps (called XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language)). Thus screen readers must be modified to read UAC prompts.

 

Narrator’s scan mode: when active, up and down arrows emulate caps lock+left/right arrows.

 

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Christopher,

           I believe that a toast is the "slide in" notification that occurs at the bottom right of the screen.  Most of these end up also showing up collectively in the list in the notification center.

           I still can't figure out how or why the term "toast" was chosen for this.  See the pages returned by a DuckDuckGo search on Windows 10 toast notification for lots of additional reading.
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Then, what's the difference in Windows key+V, vs. Windows key+A.  It sounds like in both cases, you're dealing with notifications.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] What are toasts?

Christopher,

           I believe that a toast is the "slide in" notification that occurs at the bottom right of the screen.  Most of these end up also showing up collectively in the list in the notification center.

           I still can't figure out how or why the term "toast" was chosen for this.  See the pages returned by a DuckDuckGo search on Windows 10 toast notification for lots of additional reading.
--
Brian

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov


Steve Griffiths
 


Windows + V goes to a toast only; if there's no toast, it does nothing.

Windows + A goes to the Action Centre; if there's a toast, it may be dealt with in there, but if there's no toast, you still get the Action Centre.

 

Could it be called a "toast" because it pops up?

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 04 August 2016 04:28
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] What are toasts?

 

Then, what's the difference in Windows key+V, vs. Windows key+A.  It sounds like in both cases, you're dealing with notifications.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [win10] What are toasts?

 

Christopher,

           I believe that a toast is the "slide in" notification that occurs at the bottom right of the screen.  Most of these end up also showing up collectively in the list in the notification center.

           I still can't figure out how or why the term "toast" was chosen for this.  See the pages returned by a DuckDuckGo search on Windows 10 toast notification for lots of additional reading.
--
Brian

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov





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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Steve,

            Your theory as to the choice of the "toast" terminology is as good a guess as I've seen.  I still think that term is utterly stupid.  Everyone knows what a pop-up window is, so a "slide-in" notification, which is what a toast actually is, would have been pretty immediately understandable by extension.  They simply slide-in from the right (at least by default) and slide out if you don't interact with them within a very short period of time.  After that they tend to stack up as messages in the Action Center.
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Brian

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov